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Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby thorondor » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:06 am

i have been talking with pawel during Lure about having Worlds in Poland this year.
it is possible (i think), but there are a few things to consider.

the polish community is quite big, thats good. they have 2 nationals per year, so the easiest solution would be to turn one of their natioansl into a Worlds tournament. unfortunately its not that easy as it seems ...
because: they are using a loaction that is very remote. 100 km near kattowice. big advantage: its VERY cheap. but, there are almost no faciliteis for accomodation. players are used to bring their sleeping bags and sleep on the floor. but i think players coming to worlds have become too soft for that ;-)

alternative: looking for something else in one of the cities. but: this will not be so cheap. while it may still be cheap for foreign players, its likely quite expensive for local players, so for some this will be a reason not to attend.

also, some mentioned it might be a problem, that the polish community is using different rules.

i just wanted to bring up a few facts here. i hope pawel will join soon and explain a few things more thoroughly.
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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby Muad'Dib » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:50 am

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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:24 am

I know the last order of business of the CoE was to appoint a new Chair, and we don't have a new one yet, but it would be good to decide on Worlds 2011 and get some publicity going.

Right now Pawel has informed me that he plans a tournament in Warsaw 29-9 to 1-10.
This date has been decided upon by a poll within the Polish community. It is a rather unfortunate date, in sofar as it is only 2 weeks after the German Nats. in Munich organised by Bernd. I assume most players will not care to visit both tournaments.

We should be grateful that Pawel makes the effort to host a tournament nevertheless, and as he tells me, there are no real other options for a date, as the venue required a decission and this date is set.

So, we should announce worlds, so those that want to can buy a ticket.

In a broader sense we should discuss the future of Worlds, wether there is even enough enthusiasm to have a worlds every year etc. Right now most people seem content with having a Lure once per year. I know that Wolfgang doesn't want to make the GO at Lure count as Worlds, as it's a casual weekend, but let's face it, it has been the tournament with highest (and most steady) attendence for years now, so it kinda counts as the informal Worlds anyway.

But, perhaps if we make Worlds bi-annually and plan it better, it might attrackt more crowd. After all, 1 title per 2 years is more special also.
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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby thorondor » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:00 pm

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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby Muad'Dib » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:37 pm

Sorry i write so late but had a lot of work and i do Worlds alone....

This date you both discuss above isnt yet set. But, to be honest, polish votes are the most important for me. I dont expect too much foreign players - up to 10 i suppose so i need the biggest number of polish players.

The 2nd possible date is 21-23.X.

Anyway,y i have problem with place. I thought everything is agreed and suddenly last week i heard about "some problems". I will try to set everything until end of next week.

I really apologize you guys it takes so long. Didnt expect so many problems..
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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby i gwanunig » Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:56 pm

What business does an Elf, a Man and a Dwarf have in the Steiermark? Speak quickly!
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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:24 pm

Attendence to Worlds has been dwindling even before Argentina though (Barcelona also).
As well as the enthusiasm to organize it.
So I can understand the wish to be backed up at least by strong attendence of the locals.

All the more reason to organize and announce a tourney like Worlds with plenty of time ahead. Perhaps bi-yearly is better.
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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby Muad'Dib » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:17 am

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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:33 pm

It's not about clearing your agenda, it's about needing time to find/agree with a suitable candidate.
And in second place,it's about gathering enthusiasm in the community for the event.

I asked both Poland and France at Lure this year. That qualifies as a couple of months,doesn't it?
France declined, Poland agreed, they're the only ones to do it, so we should be thankful for it.
Nevertheless the timing and communication is definitely not optimal.
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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby Temujin » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:52 pm

Spain Nats --> 2-4 September

I think that the best date to the World would be in November. But you are right, the best date is when more local players can go
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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby Fangorn » Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:15 pm

France declined this year, because we weren't ready to organize it.

With Dominique we are indeed trying to awake again french players, only since last year.
We opened french forum a couple of months ago, just after Lure.
Dominique is active with building tools like useful playability maps, and decks like Arda and pool sealed.
I'm active to convince french players to play GCCG and to attend Lure.

These actions need time to have the effect of growing the community.
It was so too soon for France this year, but it could be the good timing in 2 years !
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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:31 pm

So we can put you down for Worlds 2012 or 2013? :wink:
that good work has not gone unnoticed (despite limited french skills)

Worlds Austria or Antwerp were a success I think, with virtually no local player base (well, what's local?). So it's definitely possible. Paris might be expensive, but also nice for combining gaming with tourism. That contributes to attendence I think.
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Re: Worlds 2011 - Poland?

Postby Muad'Dib » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:10 am

It depends what you mean "expensive". I heard German Nats enter fee is around 80 euro for all days. In Poland highest price was 15 euro, maybe in Poland for Worlds it will be 20-25 but we dont sleep in hotel/hostel. Of course if somebody wants, he can, but the rest is using sleeping bags.
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