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UEPs or DCEs

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UEPs or DCEs

Postby Vastor Peredhil » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:04 am

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Re: UEPs or DCEs

Postby Vastor Peredhil » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:42 pm

okay, 42 views no replies ;(

so if we cannot get a UEP for it, how should a usable DCE version look like?
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Re: UEPs or DCEs

Postby toub » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:21 pm

Well to be honest I can't form an opinion, I don't feel experienced enough with LE.

But I know that I sourly miss a clean explanation about what an UEP or a DCE is. Maybe someone could try to stick a post of explanation...?
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Re: UEPs or DCEs

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:24 pm

I agree the card is quite useless.
aligning some hazards vs. minion with Gates of Morning thematically makes sense, but in game context is slighly weird, as hazards are not supposed to be depending on (or associated with) the resource player. ICE made Skies of Fire as a simple hero-to-minion conversion excersise, which seemed to make no sense even to themselves, as literally only 1 card (Orc Quarrels) interacts with it.

so making a UEP for it is pointless, as minions will hardly ever play this card [only reason I see is to win the environment battle against Doors players, or hypothetically in minion vs minion games, one being Balrog/overt and the other covert].

We might make a dce, as it could be nice to have Skies of FIre interact with new DC cards (see What of the Dawn, etc.).

Making a dce would exclude the use of Skies as Gates. It's a pity to decrease the use of cards, even if that use is small.
In the standard game, apart from the UEP Elflord, how bad can it backfire if you play Skies? Only hazard in the game interacting with Gates is Glance of Arien.
In DC there are also Dwarven Warparty, Dawn Comes Early, and Eagles Ahunt. But these can be avoided with some planning I suppose.

So perhaps a better way would be to state on the UEP Elf-lord ...key to SL if Gates of Morning is in play (not Skies of Fire)?
Of course there are DC hazards that also interact with Gates, we might have to check them on case by case basis.
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