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About palantir of elostirion

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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Bandobras Took » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:49 am

Remember, NetRep rulings are official. This does not necessarily mean they are correct.

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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:53 am

Or we are not...

"If the bearer is a sage: your hand size increases by one and the bearer is able to use this Palantír this turn if he taps."
is what happens/can be done if a bearer is sage, even if he is not able to use Palantír (after all, for what he would tap if he would be already able?),
and is what does not happen/cannot be done if a bearer is not sage, even if he is able to use this Palantír.

If some function of Palantír is not accessible for bearer, even he is able to use this Palantír, why this effect should count as "using a Palantír"?

Distinction between "effect of using a Palantír" and "other effect of a Palantír" may potentially have impact on something (Palantír of Osgiliath is already covered by CRF).
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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Bandobras Took » Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:25 pm

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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:37 pm

Correct.
Hero Palantír of Elostirion does not check for bearer's ability of using a/this Palantír. And Align Palantír will not help a non-sage bearer.

P.S.
Part of effects of hero Palantír of Amon Sûl was not usable until Lidless Eye.
Likewise A Malady Without Healing was not feasible until White Hand (the card cannot be played on opponent's character, and minion player does not control hero characters).
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Re: About palantir of elostirion

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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:39 pm

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Re: About palantir of elostirion

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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Konrad Klar » Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:12 am

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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Maethmaenor » Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:53 pm

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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Bandobras Took » Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:59 pm

The NetRep is currently charged with publishing digests and maintaining the Universal Rule Document (there's a sticky link at the top of the forum). Both tend to happen through this forum rather than any other medium, so far as I'm aware.
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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Maethmaenor » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:40 pm

Ok. I can see the NetRep Corner under RULES AND RULINGS, but only if I visit the forum unlogged. If I log in, I see onlye Rules Questions. I know that the NetRep Corner was made invisible (I read once a thread), but I don't know why it is visible for unlogged visitors.
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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Konrad Klar » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:04 pm

This is a known issue and probably it is not intended effect, even if nobody is willing to fix it. :)

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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Bandobras Took » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:50 pm

It's mainly my fault; during my tenure on the CoE, I felt that one of the ways in which the game environment could be improved was to both prod the NetRep into activity and push for greater consistency and standards in making rulings.

This naturally upset the NetRep. Now that I'm no longer on the CoE, I don't feel it to be a duty to complain any more, so that ban could probably be lifted. :)
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Re: About palantir of elostirion

Postby Maethmaenor » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:53 pm

And now are the corner and discussion visible (for unlogged and logged). I will take a look gradually in the old discussions. I noted also that I have the 1.1 version of the Universal Rules Document, but had overlooked that there is a newer file in google docs.
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