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Declaring movement to a site in play

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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Bandobras Took » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:17 am

Which is why it's currently allowed to play River on the site of a non-moving company.

As for the "site face down," it's because we're discussing this in the context of moving to a site already on the table, in which case the site is face up. I wasn't sure whether you were suggesting moving to a site on the table or to a totally new site.

Both Gwaihir and Eagle-Mounts are initiated (or whatever word you want to use) in the organization phase, but the destination is not revealed (or in the case of a site on the table, selected) until that company begins their portion of the movement/hazard phase (or, again in the case of the site on the table, when it would otherwise be discarded/returned to deck). The legality of the destination is checked at that time.

Paths of the Dead may be declared during the Org phase with movement to the Vale of Erech from Dunharrow. If during another company's m/h phase, a corruption check (from Ren) eliminates Aragorn II, the movement has become illegal. By contrast, Paths of the Dead may be played even though there is no company with Aragorn II, and a company at Dunharrow may choose to play Vale of Erech as its new site, so long as by the time they attempt to move, Aragorn II is in the company (Strider/A Chance Meeting).
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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Konrad Klar » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:48 am

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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Bandobras Took » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:22 pm

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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Bandobras Took » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:33 am

During the organization phase, I say, "I declare as this company's new site a site already on the table."

I have fulfilled what the CRF says I must do. The site I have chosen will stay on the table. No other site will stay on the table. Your opponent has no particular right to know which site you have chosen until it is necessary to know, any more than your opponent gets to know which site you've played face down if you're moving to a new site, but this does not mean that you get to keep all your sites on the table.

A site of origin by default either returns to the location deck or is discarded at the end of a company's movement/hazard phase. It takes a specific exception to interrupt that. A company having declared they are moving to a site on the table and having chosen that site is one. No Strangers At This Time is an example of a resource that prevents a site from being discarded. You cannot keep a site of origin on the table at the end of a company's movement/hazard phase unless there is something specific allowing you to do so. If a company is moving there, that qualifies, but that company has by definition not stated that they are moving to any other site once they show they are moving to the one in question. Use of a movement enhancer such as Forced March will allow a company to "reset" their decision, as it were, by declaring their new site to be any site still on the table.

(Obviously, I'm speaking of scenarios in which all companies are moving. Stationary companies, of course, keep their sites in play.)

(Edit: P.S. There are many cases where how something is traditionally played is not how the rules say a thing should be played. See the link in my sig about rules we assumed applied to FWs that actually don't.)
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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:56 am

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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Bandobras Took » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:19 pm

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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:14 pm

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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Bandobras Took » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:37 pm

I believe that a site does not need to be specified until a game mechanic/effect requires that specification. The site must be chosen during the organization phase. Nothing more.
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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:15 pm

Seems like you see a difference between a specifying and a choosing.
I see too. A choosing is not the same as specifying. A choosing includes a specifying.c
There is no choice among multiple instances of Aragorn II, when Return of the King has to be played. However Aragorn II must be specified as target of the card.
However it is not possible to choose something without specifying it.
Even if generally I'm not required to reveal what I have chosen, it is my responsibility that I've decided to choose among already revealed cards, it is not problem of my opponent.
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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Shapeshifter » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:31 pm

Here is an attempt to sum up the discussion so far:

1. At any time during it's organization phase a company
- commits to moving / declares movement or
- declares that it will stay at it's current site.

2. Declaration of movement is done by
- placing a new site card face down or
- stating that a company attempts to move to a site already in play; that company's new site has to be chosen now; once a site is chosen during the organization phase you may not change your mind.

From now on there are two differing opinions about whether a chosen new site already in play has to be
- named/specified immediately or
- not until
a) the company actually moves there during it's m/h-phase
b) the site card would otherwise be discarded or returned to the location deck (e.g. because another company moved away from that site in it's preceding m/h-phase). (edit: 2017-03-30)
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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:38 pm

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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Bandobras Took » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:01 pm

@Shapeshifter:

That last "b" should have "discarded or returned to the location deck" for completeness. ;)
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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

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Re: Declaring movement to a site in play

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:00 am

Just my 2 cents, I never played it like one merely says "move to site on table", but indicating which site card specifically.
simple reason: I think it's unfair if one changes a company's movement should an Ahunt Dragon all of a sudden appear (or whatever else can befall other companies). Call me old-fashioned.
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