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Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:04 pm

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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

Postby Bandobras Took » Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:20 am

Not nitpicking, but the characteristic vagueness of the English language strikes again. "Shadow-hold, Dark-hold, or a site with a Dwarf automatic-attack" is the list of tapped or untapped sites the item can be played at.
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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

Postby Konrad Klar » Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:15 pm

I would say that it is peculiarity of ICE's dialect rather than peculiarity of English language.

Even if a resource requires untapped site and site phase to play it, it does not mean that the resource is not playable at tapped site (or outside of site phase).
Trouble on All Borders played on Beornings, for example, makes effect even if Beorn's House is tapped or not in play, and, of course, not only in site phase. Beornings may no be played at tapped or nonexistent copy of Beorn's House, and may be played only in site phase, but technically they are playable just at Beorn's House.

Therefore "playable at a tapped or untapped XYZ" is compact form of "playable at a XYZ; may be played at tapped or untapped XYZ" (in ICE's dialect).
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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

Postby Konrad Klar » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:54 pm

Now I realise that my previous post is not quite related to the topic, that is indeed purely linguistic problem.

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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

Postby Bandobras Took » Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:14 pm

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Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

Postby kober » Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:30 pm

Thanks for the answer.

Btw. Is there a single document with all the rulings? I cannot find the quote in the Card Errata and CRF pdf I've got.
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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

Postby Bandobras Took » Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:35 pm

There's a link to a URD at the top of the forum; maintenance of the document is in the hands of the NetRep, but it should nevertheless be reasonably up to date.
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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:32 am

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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

Postby Bandobras Took » Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:31 pm

Yes; the +2 to influence checks is unrelated to the cancelling of AAs.
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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

Postby Konrad Klar » Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:25 pm

Yes, but for other reason.

By logic that allows the Piercing of Shadows, and Promptings of Wisdom to function at all:

Make something to affect all X does not imply that any X is in play.
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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

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Re: Technology items at tapped Dwarf-hold?

Postby Konrad Klar » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:54 pm

Something in response to "1. Play an item that taps the site", and/or "2. Play RU", and/or "3. Play BF/VF" may be declared.

All three actions require that a character must tap, so anything that would make the character untapped at resolution would fizzle the actions.
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