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Postby Frodo » Sat May 24, 2008 6:49 am

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Postby Jambo » Sat May 24, 2008 7:01 am

Maybe, as Marcos says, we just leave this one. FW companies are typically a lot lighter on the prowess than minion site burning companies, so perhaps it would be ok.

I'd like to think there's a way we could promote the overt company and minion sites. Perhaps full mps if played at a minion site, and 2 MPs if hero? This doesn't change Burning, but it would lower Smoke. Anyone else got a good idea?
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Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Sat May 24, 2008 9:14 am

Personally I don't really like the burning of hero sites. I like your version Frodo though I wish it would not be a matter of choice for the player to reveal himself like that, its not too difficult to play this card in last turn.

Maybe can make it:
2 MP. Payable (even during site phase) if you have 4 SP or more and a Smoke or Burning in play. Place any Smoke or Burning you play hereafter with this card, it is worth full MP's. All your companies are considered overt companies. Cannot be duplicated.

This way you are lured into using this card early, and you even get an extra MP (if you played Rick) for doing your sneaky covert operation. But news travels fast in Middle Earth.

Also, remember that there are FW covert companies that want to be overt, for purposes of attacking opponent, this way they don't have to get the Crows.
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Postby marcos » Sat May 24, 2008 5:22 pm

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Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Sat May 24, 2008 5:48 pm

hmm, you might not have 7 or 8 prowess guys, but you have a greater stock of support resources, and you can have a lot of guys that can tap for the auto-attack at your disposal. Play Squire on Dasakun if you feel you must. The minion borders are peanuts anyway.
And why should entering and burning hero free-holds be an exiting new strategy? It's the same, just you have to find some way to tap the site that's not a faction: any dog will do at border, get some keys, play palantir or book, bill lobelia fax or ent, whatever. Or get them tapped with your hazards. Burning Bag End is just way too easy like this. Now, if you take 2 hobbits with you for tapping against the auto, guiding you in and showing you the best place to light your torch: that's an exiting thought, because that's pure evil !
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Postby Frodo » Sat May 24, 2008 7:25 pm

It seems to me, too, that this strategy would still encourage hero characters over minion ones (or at least covert chars over orcs/trolls) because, as Thorsten said, you can tap to cancel the auto-attacks.

Thorsten, your revision is what I first had in mind, and makes stronger thematic sense. I'm just wondering if it too violently interrupts the resource construction of whatever decks people already made to pull this card off; that is, if people saw something more novel and still balanced in being able to burn sites without all your companies being turned into overt comps. So mine was a concession to that. At least the opponent will have a minimum of one turn to attack you (if he didn't call the council).

We need more voices weighing in on this. Can a hero deck pull of Smokes/Ricks even if all his companies are forced to turn overt without making for a very weak deck otherwise?

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Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Sun May 25, 2008 8:13 am

Well, actually I'd think a minion site burning offers more points, and I'd be worried if the whole thing as a full strat. with hero sites is viable, because you can get 10 mp's max from Rick/Smoke, and hero site version then gets about 6 mp's in ally/item (Gandalf maybe bit more), but you'd design your deck in such fashion that getting 3 or more factions for the big stage might be a problem. There might be ways around, but it's not a money machine. Using minion sites can at least make you play more valuable items/rings (hence also the worry I have about making The White Hand about burning and items).

How about not making the comp. overt but yes forcing them to use minion sites, maybe awarding any 'sneaky' burning with extra points, making it a bit of mission?

Plotting Ruin, 1 sp. (1mp+)
If you have a Burning Rick, Cot and Tree or Smoke on the Wind in play, your companies must use minion sites for border-holds, free-holds and hero-havens. Place any subsequent Burning Rick, Cot and Tree and Smoke on the Wind with this card in stead of in your marshalling point pile. Place any site you entered by tapping a character with that site as home site with this card in stead of discarding it. If you have a burning Rick Cot and Tree or Smoke on the Wind in play, this card is worth 1 mp plus 1 mp for each card under it. Cannot be duplicated by a given player.

You can play this as starting, hence only 1 sp which is little but leaves room for other things. It only has effect after you played a first Rick/Smoke, so you can still enter a difficult site once for free. Then you get extra points for entering minion sites if you tap some guy. Orcs/Trolls can still take Wormtongue or some man agent to burn borders/Edoras: man talks to the bouncer while orcs sneak in! It is worth a little less for other Smokes played by overt companies, but this is a more covert mission card then, i.e. plotting the ruin by sending out agents all over the map. All in all it can only cost you 2 mps max. for Smoke, but yield alot more mp's for entering the right sites.

Difficulty of course is to construct the deck in a fashion to really use this card. If it's too complicated on resource portion, can skip the first requirement of Rick/Smoke, because tapping hero sites involves other kind of resources than tapping minion sites. On the other hand, I think using minion sites with covert company from turn 1 is too good.

Saruman can also profit greatly by having a minion Bree from turn two or so without being overt or playing a hazard on himself! All the plotting starts at Bree!
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