[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4772: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4774: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4775: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4776: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
Council of Elrond • View topic - The Gathered Helping Ring Play and Anti-Play Proposals

The Gathered Helping Ring Play and Anti-Play Proposals

Where the Virtual Boyz plan their latest capers

Moderator: Virtual Card Development

The Gathered Helping Ring Play and Anti-Play Proposals

Postby Bandobras Took » Fri May 16, 2008 2:03 am

User avatar
Bandobras Took
Non-voting member
 
Posts: 2309
Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:30 pm

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Fri May 16, 2008 1:30 pm

Nice thread.
First off, I think the No test till Doomsday is something rather unrelated to the general ringplay issue. Making the choice for winning by way of the One Ring is not related I think to making a choice not to play rings, wether for points or coolness/tactical advantages. Therefore, even if perceived as a problem, I would be careful not to let any measures against No test till Doomsday have negative impact on Rings for Points - actually I prefer the title Rings for Tactics, points is just so minimal.

Thus, I think Something Else at Work interacts badly with general rings, even if most people play from Rumours and thus won't be bothered if you force a test on them. Perhaps you forgot to stack a ring there/you already tested one that turn: puff ring gone. The Rings Betrayal is funny but basically stalls any ring player a full turn at least, if not worse. Likewise Will of the Ring.
btw. I don't see how The Precious would make you want to test sooner rather than later...

Second, likewise the New Ringlord issue, it seems pretty much unrelated, except for the fact that ringhazards can be the proverbial drop to make it even less appealing as strategy. BttW is awful, anyone voting no on your UEP should have been removed from the forum :wink:

The Rings for Tactics is for FW not really that much harder than for heroes. It is a more complicated due to the 2 copy rule and the -1 tester, yet it also offers way more possiblities, and points with Rumor of the One. In fact, only the Blind to all Else (sp) requirement is a small bummer. So I don't see a real problem actually.

Third, the question is, should we improve cardmanagement and tactical advantages of the rings? Maybe that's overdone. If people now don't decide to play rings, is that because of the bad cardmanagement or risks involved, or because of low rewards? Personally I don't want to change the testing mechanics too much, a simple Ringlore V is enough. If you combine it with MR of Lore for example, it might get too big, especially in the underdeeps where you can play multiple rings easily (or thorough search). Rumor of the One makes ringplay too easy imo.

Thus, upping some tactical advantages is nice to underline specific strategies. I would prefer that over making rings very easy to test and play. I proposed Forgotten Scrolls to improve cardmanagement and testing of Lesser Rings (if your not Gandalf), because lesser rings might not be easy to improve tactically, since they're generic (btw. the testing ability should be permanent, not discardable).

Fourth, I added a Gollum ability to some cards, because I think My Precious is also a problem to ringplay, if only a minor issue, and I would like for Stinke/Gollum to be more connected to ringplay.

Fifth, I think many ringhazards will come from sideboard (depending on meta-game of course) because they have no general impact/use. That's also why Rolled is popular straight in deck, because it has an alternative use. If ringhazards come from sideboard, their timing becomes an issue, and the powerbalance is more difficult to address. Maybe we should strive to give ringhazards smaller effects but with an alternative general use. Or, create resources that can also have an effect on a ringplaying opponent. I like Wisdom to Wield therefore, maybe it can have a useful resource effect as well to boost it a little, now it's a definite sideboard.

The Rolled issue is easily dealt with. I like both Anduin and Ringlore proposals, because a dunk player would normally not play these cards since he can't afford the time. Thus it protects Rings for Tactics adequately. But discarding Ringlore to counter Rolled of course hampers the testing/cardmanagment, and costs 1 MP, therefore I would prefer a perm./short that can be used by an untapped sage. That also offers hazard flexibility (tap the sage somehow).
Stone-age did not end because man ran out of rocks.
User avatar
Thorsten the Traveller
Chairman
 
Posts: 1499
Joined: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:44 pm
Location: Tilburg, Netherlands

Postby Bandobras Took » Fri May 16, 2008 5:51 pm

Great comments; a few thoughts.

The biggest stumbling block to FW ring tests come from Blind, but Rumor of the One does not help FW MPs from Rings because non-stage resources cannot modify FW MP totals. Also, while A New Ringlord is technically doable, it is still unwieldy. It's worth considering what impact any of these cards might have on non-hero dunking.

The Virtual Morannon is another consideration that I forgot to list. Since it is playable by FWs, has it obsoleted New Ringlord?
User avatar
Bandobras Took
Non-voting member
 
Posts: 2309
Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:30 pm


Return to Development

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest