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Council of Elrond • View topic - Dwar Unleashed

Dwar Unleashed

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Postby Frodo » Mon May 25, 2009 9:41 pm

CURRENT VERSIONS TO TEST
Okay, so I'm going to synthesize the issues and try some versions. Here's my first attempt:

ORC-MOUNTS
(This replaces the second paragraph; first paragraph stays the same):
Tap Orc-mounts and a Wolf ally to transfer the ally from one character to another in the same company; if ally is moving, his new controller may untap. You may tap one Orc-mounts during your end-of-turn phase to take Our Own Wolves into hand. Our Own Wolves no longer creates an attack against your companies.

DWAR UNLEASHED
Playable during the Organization Phase if Dwar is your Ringwraith. Dwar may use Our Own Wolves, Hounds of Sauron, and move using region movement to any site where a unique Wolf faction is playable or to any site with a Wolf automatic-attack. Characters with Wolf allies may be in Dwar's company; such allies gain the ranger skill. For each unique Wolf faction in play, at the beginning of the movement/hazard phase you may choose for Dwar's region and one adjacent region to become a [W] or [D]. Discard this card to search your play deck (reshuffle) for a Wolf ally or faction.
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Postby marcos » Mon May 25, 2009 10:39 pm

i dont really know what is the issue with the Dwar strategy, now he has plenty rangers and can be in the same company as other characters... maybe his maximum MPs in his intended strategy is a bit low... Has anybody tried to build a deck mixing him with some of the new "minion quests" in sets 2 and 3?
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Postby Frodo » Tue May 26, 2009 12:36 am

Hey Marcos, it would be useful for one of us to play against your version of the Dwar deck, using any iteration of these V-cards. It's hard to base decisions on only one or two guys' versions, especially someone like me that doesn't know minion very well.

BUT, it would be best if the test included no V2 or V3 cards, otherwise it doesn't really test V1.

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Postby Frodo » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:29 am

Okay, I spent *hours* on this, and finally came up with some very good new versions. Please test!

ORC-MOUNTS
Playable at any tapped or untapped site with a Wolf automatic-attack (if you have a Wolf faction in play) or an Orc automatic-attack if the influence check is >10. Standard modifications: +3 if Dwar is your Ringwraith or Saruman is your Fallen-wizard. Your unique Wolf factions gain an additional marshalling point and “Standard modifications: +2 for each Wolf in company.” Tap Orc-mounts to transfer a Wolf ally; if ally is moving, his new controller may untap. Tap Orc-mounts during your end-of-turn phase to take Our Own Wolves or Hounds of Sauron from your discard pile into hand. Our Own Wolves no longer creates an attack against your companies.

DWAR UNLEASHED
Playable during the Organization Phase on Dwar’s company. Lycanthrope mode. Dwar may play Our Own Wolves, Hounds of Sauron, and take a second movement/hazard phase to move again with starter movement to a site where a Wolf faction is playable, a Wolf automatic-attack or Wolf ally is, or same site as opponent’s company. Characters with Wolf allies may be in Dwar's company, and Wolf allies in his company gain the ranger skill. While not moving, tap this card to change Dwar’s current region (and one adjacent region for each unique Wolf faction you control) into a [W] or [D] until your next organization phase. Discard this card to search your play deck (reshuffle) for a Wolf.



*We want to encourage the gathering of unique Wolf factions. But with the need for all that protection to get the Wolf factions in those deadly areas, the Dwar deck becomes choked.
*We would love to encourage the use of MOVING companies for Dwar, rather than squatting. In other words, how can we make this deck different than Radagast/Balrog wolf-squat?
*Related to this, if someone makes Dwar’s other companies, or Dwar himself, a squatter, the squatting strategy shouldn’t become very strong because of these cards.
*Dwar’s company initiating CVCC should be possible. (Especially since Hounds of Sauron cannot be duplicated during the site phase when attacking opponent.) This means he has to be able to use at least starter to a NON-Darkhaven site where opponent may be (rather than depending on some other mode card).
*Frodo would like to see Ringwraith followers be rarely used by Dwar, or even prohibited. He seems like a loner.
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Postby Bandobras Took » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:53 am

Remove same site as opponent's company. Granted that CvCC can be fun, don't make it too easy for a RW and 6 wolf allies+controllers to reach another company.
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Postby Frodo » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:38 am

Maybe you're right. Although, Our Own Wolves can only be used against an attack, so it can't be played offensively; Dwar's company, if everybody and every wolf is there, won't be *that* big.

What about allowing the movement to opponent's site only if Dwar is with no other characters?

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Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:39 am

wow, the darkness of Dwar is spreading over middle earth like a tipped over ink bottle. 8) but it seems ok to me.

however, I'm not convinced that playing wolf-factions is more dangerous than playing other stuff in Eriador, ok your wolves are vulnerable, but such is their nature, and using OOW helps here a bit. I agree with the movement enhancer, and I would also be fine with an influence enhancer because rolls are steep, but I think the mp enhancer is not necessary, it's 8 mp for 3 factions and you can play multiple stuff at the site...

in dreamcards we have this guy that can tap to heal a wolf ally. That might be a nice idea also to virtualize, so if the dog survives the bc, he can still be of use. otherwise they are ultimately doomed.

btw I can play 3 Orc Mounts, so that would mean all wolf factions get +3?
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