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Re Words of Power and Terror

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Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Fri May 09, 2008 9:11 am

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Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Fri May 09, 2008 1:05 pm

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Postby Jambo » Fri May 09, 2008 1:45 pm

Actually I was using an Alert the Folk and Rebuild the Town deck. One company squats, the other's out in Dragon country.

Remember though, these decks revolve around men characters and that also means women. I had Peath, Vygavril, Eowyn, and so a Nazgul at Lake-Town or Dale is often preferable than a Sellswords... Hence the reason why the Nazgul perhaps shouldn't choose defenders. :)

Eye of Sauron and Siege are both easily Marveled or Voiced, and like you say, it's unlikely someone will have 3 x Eye of Sauron and 3 x Siege, although that might be interesting to see. Plus your only allowed one WoPaT per turn, and therefore only one Nazgul per turn.
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Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Fri May 09, 2008 3:29 pm

okay, you've convinced me :wink: I didn't know that one per turn was decided on though, but I agree with it.

Don't you feel that having only one nazgul attack uncancellable seriously hampers the card if you can't choose defender? Of course you play it after another attack(s) so the chars may be tapped out, but still, you don't want to end up always killing Bombur, that would be the same effect as cancelling.
I proposed can't be duplicated on given attack, only for the bodycheck. unfortunately that does nothing for assassins.
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Postby Frodo » Fri May 09, 2008 6:02 pm

>The wording here would mean Weathertop and Minas Tirith could still be targeted even if they are havens. For FWs, haven texts state all attacks are cancelled. This card however states the Nazgul attack cannot be cancelled. I suppose this would then work like Indur and his normal Unleashed card, i.e. that the attack gets through?

Yes, my purposeful idea was that you could still nail FWs. However, you still need to target the haven with an Orc/Man/Troll creature, so good luck… will probably have to depend on somebody moving to the site instead.

RE: Siege
Remember that WOPaT is partly an elaborate way to get around people concealing a Nazgul attack. Therefore, originally I made WOPaT playable on a strike in order to circumvent opponent’s who saw the card played on an attack, and therefore cancelled the attack in response—now your Nazgul strategy is still screwed. But if it’s playable on a Strike, the opponent might choose to hold onto his concealer for something stronger, and now HE’S screwed because it’s too late to cancel the attack in the strike phase. I DO love the idea of getting the card to work with Siege. However, the way WOPaT is worded now creates new problems, beyond what I just mentioned, if we allow it playable on an attack. This is because the attack doesn’t specify it must be against the company. So you could play WOPaT on ANY hazard that creates orc attacks, such as Mordor in Arms, then nail the opponet with a Nazgul no matter where on the map he is! Also, when do you choose which strike gains body—or does this matter?

Question though: Can’t Words of Power STILL be played on Siege the way it’s currently worded? Strikes exist during the m/h phase, don’t they? If so, it means the Mordor in Arms problem still exists too, and we need some rewording all around.

It’s true that the Nazguls were mostly flying around the free-holds, however, the WK killed Theoden there! Also, I had the idea (from the book) that the WK was going to attack Minas Tirith himself if Gandalf and Eowyn did not ride out to stop him.

I don’t think attacker chooses detainment is that stupid. Could still be useful to the haz player too; tap the guy most likely to get the faction, etc. Still, I think this is a really elaborate combo and there’s nothing wrong with “chooses defending characters.” If the little ladies at Lake-town are that worried about their husbands, they’ll pack a Many Foes He Fought in their pearly-white hands.

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Postby Jambo » Sat May 10, 2008 10:08 am

Yes, I think Marcos is right. Plus that's the way Exile of Solitude must work. Presumably that can be played on any at Home on the table during any m/h phase. Therefore, there's no need to change the card from strike to attack.

Does the Mordor in Arms loophole matter, and what other cards would this work on other than Mordor in Arms? Presumably it couldn't be played on a Doubled Vigilance or Siege which has been played on a different company's site? That would be like tapping Adunaphel during one company's m/h phase to try to tap a character from a different company...
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Postby Jambo » Sun May 11, 2008 9:29 am

I'm happy with that if you think that choosing defenders, even after a man, orc, or troll attack, is ok. Heroes don't have a version of Motionless Among the Slain, so it'll be good night Vienna for someone!
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