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Final Fixes and Tweaks for Virtual Set #1

Postby Frodo » Wed May 13, 2009 9:11 pm

Hey guys,

I'd like to finalize Virtual Set #1 and release it as "official" before this year's Worlds. That means there will probably be no more pdfs or (at least significant) changes, and we'll even give it a name!

So I looked over the set and found a few issues I'd like to talk about:

WORDS OF POWER AND TERROR
Let’s change:
“In addition, the Nazgûl attack may be keyed to Weathertop, Minas
Tirith or a non-Haven site with Eye of Sauron.”
To
“In addition, the Nazgûl attack may be keyed to Weathertop, Minas
Tirith, or a non-hero haven site with Eye of Sauron.

This allows the targeting of FW havens such as the abused Ettenmoors and also Isengard (though Isengard is a bit trickier because you need to hit them with the right racial strike first. Ettenmoors, conveniently, has a Troll auto already). It scarcely seems overpowered since they can heal there next turn anyway!

Also, “Strikes without body gain six body…” is worded better.

How do we feel about this?

EYE OF SAURON
Rules question: since Hall of Fire happens at end of m/h, does it even affect Eye?

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Postby marcos » Wed May 13, 2009 9:22 pm

i think eye of sauron does affect hall of fire, the sentence about cancelling hall of fire is clear enough, at least to me... About the changes on word of power and terror, i'm not too convinced about it, but i wouldnt mind changing it
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Postby Frodo » Thu May 14, 2009 9:37 pm

"The Road Goes Ever On" is the chosen title for Virtual Set #1!!

After some last-minute discussions, we should be able to finalize this set for Worlds. I'd also like it to be clear to people that there's a distinction between this first virtual set, which has been playtested for more than 4 years (!), and later virtual sets, which are more "open ground" playtesting. Hopefully the name will do this.

Other opinions on the card issues I've raised?

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Postby Bandobras Took » Fri May 15, 2009 10:49 pm

Regarding Eye of Sauron:

No, it should not discard Hall of Fire. Hall of Fire has its uses in non-cheezy play; if nothing else for the supporting sages. Canceling the effect is strong enough.
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Postby Frodo » Sat May 16, 2009 3:51 am

Okay, agreed on Hall.

I'm also going to use the change on Words and Power, unless anyone wants to argue more on this. I will present an example to illustrate two of its now possible effects.

A) Opponent squats Troll-chief at Ettenmoors haven
*I play TNAA (V), stacking Words of Power (V). I sideboard in or draw up an Eye of Sauron (V), and hold onto a Nazgul. Finally, I play Eye of Sauron on Ettenmoors, wait and see if he cancels it (he doesn't), then Words of Power on the Troll auto at Ettenmoors, then a single Nazgul attack at the Ettenmoors which cannot be cancelled. If the Chief doesn't die, he will heal next turn.

B) Opponent squats at Isengard Haven
*I play TNAA (V), stacking Words of Power (V). I sideboard in or draw up an Eye of Sauron (V), and I also sideboard in or draw up one of those Lidless eye Man hazards that hits sites in Gap of Isen. I also hold onto a Nazgul. Finally, I play Eye of Sauron on Isengard wait and see if he cancels it (he doesn't), then the Man hazard (which gets cancelled by haven text), then Words of Power on the man hazard before its cancelled, then a single Nazgul attack at the Isengard which cannot be cancelled. If the character doesn't die, he will heal next turn.

As you can see, the Isengard option requires a hell of hand (one more SBed card that Ettenmoors attack), but I also see Isengard as less cheesy then Ettenmoors.

Frodo



Btw, Marcos, there were some changes to the V-cards (Set 1) since Worlds that are on the XML but not on the images themselves. For example, Tower Raided image still shows a strike bonus against spiders. Or maybe it's just MY Set 1 of images, and I need you to email me yours?

As I think of other examples I will post them to this thread.
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Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Sat May 16, 2009 8:39 am

nice examples and nice plays, this Words of Power addition is really cool, I'm so glad you came up with that idea Frodo. The combo does require 3 hl for Isengard, so he'd better not be squatting alone there. And it shows, Eye of Sauron should go straight in deck anyway :wink:

I didn't speak of the other stuff, because I agree on all, or it's been said before (FTiFD should go).
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