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(V suggestion) Avatarless Balrog

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(V suggestion) Avatarless Balrog

Postby marcos » Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:36 pm

Orders from the great demon/ Obey him or die/ any other card that fits with this theme - V

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Command. Playable during organization phase on a Leader with mind 7 or more if you don't controll The Balrog. Return all other command cards on target leader to your hand when this card is played. This character requires no Influence to be controlled. +3 to general Influence. Once during each of your organization phases, target leader may tap to: bring a resource or character from your sideboard into your play deck and shuffle or give +1/+1 prowess/body to all characters in his company. Cannot be duplicated as a virtual card by a given player. Discard this card and target leader if you ever controll The Balrog.

EDIT: the second ability (+1/+1) may be changed, i just posted the first thing that came to my mind
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Postby Bandobras Took » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:26 pm

This has good potential. Particularly, I like that the Avatarless Balrog will need to be active in order to work.
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Postby marcos » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:36 pm

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Postby marcos » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:40 pm

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Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:32 pm

I suppose the new avatar would be worth no MP's? And if he's killed that's -5 mp? maybe the word avatar should be on it somewhere.

His abilities as an avatar are rather basic, so this is more ment as a back-up than as a strategy or theme in it's own right, that's a bit of a pitty. Of course the basic avatar skills are called for, and we could build on him with other cards, but I just thought I should mention that.
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Postby marcos » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:45 pm

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Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:23 am

Well since you'd get 3 mp's for free basically for an 8 or 9 minder, that's equivalent also to 8 or 9 GI, so you'd suggest, with Umagaur as a max., that the new avatar would have in fact 33 total influence (20+8+5) plus 3 vs. Balrog specific....yes gay Shadow might still be the king of cheeze in this respect, because you have 32 influence and Umagaur (whoever came up with that idea?), but first of all you should not take an awful card as basis for new ideas, and second your avatar is made crappier with GS, and third it is still highly unfair to other alignments, most natably poor ringwraiths.

agreed on the active part, obviously. Maybe we could give him an built in Unexpected Party for orcs, that would compensate for having less influence, and the maggots are no use if you stay put at a haven...hmmm yes but they are nice when squatting for fires...well a heedless would tap out all of them probably.
I like the idea of other big minders stepping up, not just Baduila, in medm player guide the flavour text of Umi/Bumi makes it pretty clear they have their mind set on one day ruling their own little empire.

maybe we can give this leader +1 DI for each region he is away from Moria, or each step away from Under-gates. 8)
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