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Responding to On-Guard Heedless

Postby zarathustra » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:33 pm

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Postby Konrad Klar » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:25 pm

Hazards that contains phrase "(alternatively) may be revealed as on-guard" does not follow normal rules of revealing and acting of on guards.
They need such phrase because otherwise they would not work at all (or would not at all as on guard).

If Searching Eye or Half an Eye Open would be declared and resolved retroactively it would resolve even before declaration of its target!
Additionally its target was not existing during M/H phase (that is normally required for on-guards).
They need be declared in the same coe as its target (card requirng scout skills or burglary attempt) to be working properly.

Heedless Revelry is one of such cases. It is not revealed in response to playing resource (like normal on-guard), but after playing resource, so in new chain of effects.

So if it is not declared/resolved retroactively and immediately it may be responded like any plain card
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Re: Responding to On-Guard Heedless

Postby miguel » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:44 am

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Postby Konrad Klar » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:44 pm

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Postby Konrad Klar » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:30 pm

We will not speak of such things even in the morning of the Shire.
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Re: Responding to On-Guard Heedless

Postby miguel » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:11 am

After pondering about the playability of , I think how on-guard Heedless works can be broken down as follows.

(i) character taps to play item, and item is placed with character
(ii) Heedless is revealed and is considered declared and resolved prior to the play of the item
(iii) you tap the site and all untapped non-Ringwraith, non-Wizard characters in the company as the result of succesfully playing the item

Right?

Do we need to make a ruling for the original question in this thread?
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Re: Responding to On-Guard Heedless

Postby marcos » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:58 pm

meaning that declared and resolved takes place immediatly leaving no time to response, right?
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Re: Responding to On-Guard Heedless

Postby miguel » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:08 pm

Meaning the declaration and resolution of Heedless happened before (i) as per on-guard rules. But yes, no time for any shenanigans. :lol:
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Re: Responding to On-Guard Heedless

Postby miguel » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:07 am

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Re: Responding to On-Guard Heedless

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Re: Responding to On-Guard Heedless

Postby marcos » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:47 pm

Brian has a point, we do want to state succeful, in my oppinion
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Re: Responding to On-Guard Heedless

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Re: Responding to On-Guard Heedless

Postby miguel » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:12 pm

Oops, I should have posted this here earlier: I think we need to resolve this chain, er, thread first viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1699 :)
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