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Canceling attack vs canceling strike (especially in CVCC)

Postby zarathustra » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:43 pm

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Re: Canceling attack vs canceling strike (especially in CVCC

Postby miguel » Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:05 pm

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Postby Wacho » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:53 pm

Actually my question is more in the context of general play rather than CvCC specific. My contention is that during the strike phase it is too late to play cards that affect the attack. As I see it combat flows in this order:
1. Creature played
2. Opportunity to cancel or affect attack
3. Strikes Assigned
4. Strikes resolved one at a time, during which you can play cards that affect the strike.

The rules say during the strike phase you may play cards that affect the strike. I believe this limits you to cards that say they affect a strike (singular) such as risky blow. Basically I read the rules as being specific, and that cards must directly affect a strike to be played.

If this is not true then I don't see why you couldn't play concealment during the strike phase [which is generally accepted as a no no] as cancelling the attack at this stage would cancel the strike. Mark says that cancelling the attack doesn't cancel the strikes. I don't follow his logic here, so if this could be further explained that would be helpful.

Finally if the resource player can wait to play his cards that affect the attack phase, then so can the hazard player. That way he can save up all of his boosters until after strikes are assigned, when according to current interpretation you are no longer allowed to cancel an attack. So a company facing an unehanced lesser spiders and decides to face the attack instead of cancelling with concealment can be suprised by Full of Froth and Rage and have to face 4@9 rather than 4@7 with no chance to cancel. This would also give Prowess of Age a lot more flexibility as you wouldn't have to gamble when playing it to boost prowess, you can hold the card until the defender decides to cancel or strikes are assigned and then boost the attack.

I don't think this is how things should be played.
This would give hazard players a lot more flexibility than they currently have and make things more dangerous, and there isn't really any advantage to the resource player to balance this out, as it usually isn't advantageous for the resource player to hold on to his attack affecting resources.
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Postby Konrad Klar » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:44 pm

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Postby zarathustra » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:34 am

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Postby Wacho » Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:05 am

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Postby Konrad Klar » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:45 am

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Postby Wacho » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:42 am

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Postby miguel » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:06 am

Nice work Dave. I think the main reason for our broader interpretation has been the limitation on what you can play against automatic-attacks and some discussion we had about that on the old board. With these rulings it's getting really bad (no Old Thrush for KutM decks etc.). Meh.

Regardless, I really like the logic behind these rulings you found. This kind of play seems intuitive, which makes it easy for everyone to understand. Rather than change these rulings, I'd like to get some change-proposal going about the CRF entries causing so much trouble. That should happen .
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Postby Konrad Klar » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:31 pm

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Postby zarathustra » Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:30 pm

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Postby miguel » Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:47 am

Aye.

*off to build a KutM deck*
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Postby zarathustra » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:02 pm

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Postby Konrad Klar » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:40 pm

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