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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby Konrad Klar » Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:56 pm

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby miguel » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:17 am

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby Konrad Klar » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:13 pm

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby miguel » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:18 am

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby Konrad Klar » Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:23 pm

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby miguel » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:46 pm

Yeah you're right, we need the 2nd line, although for the ruling I guess I'd prefer to use the exact wording that cards like Hide in Dark Places have (non-moving vs. company not moving). To cram all the information in a single line would make it quite complex to read/comprehend.

RE: Golodhros, this is getting a bit sidetracked, but CRF says "A company that gets sent back to its site of origin is not considered to have moved to that site this turn". I know things are not clearly stated and A might not include B, but A does give us room to decide whether it should include B. Here's my take on a breakdown of companies in different phases and where Golodhros should be in order to influence a character/ally in that company:

(i) Company staying at its current site - Golodhros at current site
(ii) Company has announced it will move this turn, but it's not that company's move/haz phase yet - Golodhros at current site
(iii) Company moving during its move/haz phase - Golodhros at new site
(iv) Company already moved - Golodhros at new site
(v) Company moved but was sent back to its site of origin - Golodhros at current site (site of origin)
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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby Konrad Klar » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:14 pm

Company returned to its site of origin did not move (at least in its last M/H phase) to its site of origin but this company did move in general.

Because (in contrast to companies that successfully moved) returned company is at site I do not see a reason of retaining its status site of origin/new site (to which it formally even did not move).
In short: its former site of origin becomes its current site immediately after returning (or there is rule that says explicitly otherwise?).
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