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Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:05 am

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:18 pm

Ok, ok... but from where you know which CRF entry is more recent? Is your guess based on position in document (higher offset to the top of document, more recent entry)?

Scenario in Rulings Digest #118 is actually pretty simple (although question is scary). I do not see how it addresses problems discussed in first post of this thread (whether company that moved retains site of origin and new site status, is considered moving, or not moving).
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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby miguel » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:03 am

A company is considered a moving company after its intent to move is announced in org phase. However the company's site path is not known (available for Snowstorm etc.) until revealed at the start of that company's move/haz phase. I'd say a moving company's site path is not available outside that company's move/haz phase. They still remain a moving company during other companies' move/haz phases, until the beginning of the site phase.

Baduila needs to target the company, therefore he can only affect the company currently taking its move/haz phase.

The Way is Shut refers to a company moving, which I'd say means a moving company that is currently taking its move/haz phase.

Site of origin / new site status would need to be held until the companies that moved are actually at their new sites (need to check for illegal company joining first), at the beginning of the site phase.
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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby Konrad Klar » Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:26 pm

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:34 pm

Strictly speaking, only site of origin (actual, or site of origin that company had) is necessary to know, where company should be returned, if it is required to return it.
I'm not searching for method of disabling a Baduila's returning effect for company that has completed its M/H phase. As I mentioned earlier, I do not consider such effect on such company as something disruptive for game.
Whether it works, or does not work should be side effect of establishment in question of exact status (moving/not-moving, having/not having new site, site of origin, site path) of company that moved.
That establishment should not be tailored to disable, or enable that effect.

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

Postby Konrad Klar » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:36 pm

Please note that movement may also happen outside of M/H phase (Ancient Stairs, Bill The Pony, Great-road).
Regardless of choosen nomenclature (moving company, company moving, etc.), rulings, rules, and definitions should be usable in such situations and their consequences should be consistent with consequences during M/H phases.
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Re: Baduila, Golodhros and returning to site of origin

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