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Council of Elrond • View topic - No Better Use and No Site
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:01 pm
by miguel
So is it written somewhere that opponent must provide the site from his location deck? Manuel seemed to think so (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=553), but I'd rather see the actual source :D

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:55 pm
by Konrad Klar

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 3:21 pm
by Konrad Klar
Opppss..

Correction.
Now I see other possibility.
Owner of affected site card must have opposite version in LD, else his opponent must provide site card from his LD or discard pile.

Ok.
But what if player does not have required site card in LD and opponent has it in play, and company changes involuntary its status to overt or non-overt?

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:48 am
by miguel
The quote that you must provide the (first) site to change the alignment applies only when you play a hazard causing the situation (does this include creatures that end up changing company status via combat?). And IF you need to provide the site without taking it from out of play, IMO it needs to come from LD, and LD only (not discard, not from play).

What about when FW overt company, say with Regiment, goes to minion version Rivendell, faces AA and loses Regiment. The company loses its overt status and Rivendell should be changed into the hero version, but FW player doesn't have it in his location deck..? Opponent shouldn't have to provide the site here. Company gets discarded?

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:03 am
by Konrad Klar
Wounded site?
Of course it would require an errata.

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:05 am
by miguel
Yeah I think we need to come up with something within the current rules. I see Legenday Hoard's card text as just a special case (and perhaps should have been dealt with as "off to the side" instead of all the inverting, but those rules came later).

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:33 am
by miguel

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:37 am
by Konrad Klar
Sounds good.

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:47 pm
by marcos
agree

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:46 pm
by Konrad Klar
Yet another detail:
Non-Balrog players may include for purposes of playing hazards in LD Balrog site cards representing exclusive Balrog's sites.
Possible* is using them as rescue sites, that will be later used by rescuing companies and/or rescued companies to indicate their route/position (that is not strictly use for purposes of playing hazard).
Could be that site cards used if character must form a company at one of Balrog's sites?

*) I do not know other hazards that would require under-deep site card.

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:27 pm
by miguel
I don't think you could use them in this case. They may be included in a non-Balrog player's location deck for the purposes of playing certain hazards only. They can't be used by your characters.

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 8:33 am
by miguel

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:57 pm
by marcos
sounds good

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:09 pm
by Konrad Klar
Sounds good.

Re: No Better Use and No Site

PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:56 am
by miguel
Published in digest #125. Locked.