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Council of Elrond • View topic - No Better Use and No Site

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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby miguel » Tue May 15, 2012 2:01 pm

So is it written somewhere that opponent must provide the site from his location deck? Manuel seemed to think so (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=553), but I'd rather see the actual source :D
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby Konrad Klar » Tue May 15, 2012 2:55 pm

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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby Konrad Klar » Tue May 15, 2012 3:21 pm

Opppss..

Correction.
Now I see other possibility.
Owner of affected site card must have opposite version in LD, else his opponent must provide site card from his LD or discard pile.

Ok.
But what if player does not have required site card in LD and opponent has it in play, and company changes involuntary its status to overt or non-overt?
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby miguel » Wed May 16, 2012 10:48 am

The quote that you must provide the (first) site to change the alignment applies only when you play a hazard causing the situation (does this include creatures that end up changing company status via combat?). And IF you need to provide the site without taking it from out of play, IMO it needs to come from LD, and LD only (not discard, not from play).

What about when FW overt company, say with Regiment, goes to minion version Rivendell, faces AA and loses Regiment. The company loses its overt status and Rivendell should be changed into the hero version, but FW player doesn't have it in his location deck..? Opponent shouldn't have to provide the site here. Company gets discarded?
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed May 16, 2012 11:03 am

Wounded site?
Of course it would require an errata.
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby miguel » Wed May 16, 2012 11:05 am

Yeah I think we need to come up with something within the current rules. I see Legenday Hoard's card text as just a special case (and perhaps should have been dealt with as "off to the side" instead of all the inverting, but those rules came later).
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby miguel » Wed May 16, 2012 11:33 am

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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed May 16, 2012 11:37 am

Sounds good.
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby marcos » Wed May 16, 2012 12:47 pm

agree
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed May 16, 2012 2:46 pm

Yet another detail:
Non-Balrog players may include for purposes of playing hazards in LD Balrog site cards representing exclusive Balrog's sites.
Possible* is using them as rescue sites, that will be later used by rescuing companies and/or rescued companies to indicate their route/position (that is not strictly use for purposes of playing hazard).
Could be that site cards used if character must form a company at one of Balrog's sites?

*) I do not know other hazards that would require under-deep site card.
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby miguel » Wed May 16, 2012 3:27 pm

I don't think you could use them in this case. They may be included in a non-Balrog player's location deck for the purposes of playing certain hazards only. They can't be used by your characters.
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby miguel » Mon May 28, 2012 8:33 am

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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby marcos » Mon May 28, 2012 12:57 pm

sounds good
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby Konrad Klar » Mon May 28, 2012 1:09 pm

Sounds good.
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Re: No Better Use and No Site

Postby miguel » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:56 am

Published in digest #125. Locked.
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