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CoE 111: Marvels Told vs. The Witch-King of Angmar

Postby Konrad Klar » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:16 am

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Re: CoE 111: Marvels Told vs. The Witch-King of Angmar

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Re: CoE 111: Marvels Told vs. The Witch-King of Angmar

Postby Konrad Klar » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:49 pm

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Re: CoE 111: Marvels Told vs. The Witch-King of Angmar

Postby miguel » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:15 pm

I think you shouldn't read that CRF entry too literally. Nazgul-event targeting/timing was a mess, and the CoE rulings were necessary. The netrep team was fully aware of all the relevant CRF entries when the rulings were made. :)
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Re: CoE 111: Marvels Told vs. The Witch-King of Angmar

Postby Konrad Klar » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:30 pm

The netrep team was fully aware of all the relevant CRF entries, but was not respecfull to them at all.
If so, it should not be a big effort to include phrase like 'I'm overturning "CRF, Ruling by Terms, Nazgûl"'.
Otherwise I see a little value in clarification/errata that is less clear than original, not-clarified/errated rule.
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Re: CoE 111: Marvels Told vs. The Witch-King of Angmar

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Re: CoE 111: Marvels Told vs. The Witch-King of Angmar

Postby Konrad Klar » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:59 pm

To make things clear. If above dichotomy is OK, then only one thing that I would wish is clear statement "This ruling supersedes CRF, Rulings by Term, Nazgûl"*,
because CoE 110, "CRF, Rulings by Term, Nazgûl", and Annotation 1 cannot coexist if each of them would be taken serioulsly.

*) Or statement "Do not take "CRF, Rulings by Term, Nazgûl" too seriously :)
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Re: CoE 111: Marvels Told vs. The Witch-King of Angmar

Postby miguel » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:10 am

I'm afraid we can't overrule anything in the CRF without CoE's vote and approval. All I'm saying is that the CRF entry is poorly worded and should be read with a little interpretation (yes this is gray area, but when absolutely necessary we can go there).

"At this point, the Nazgûl is a short-event just as if had been played as such from your hand." Should IMO be read as: At this point, the Nazgûl is a short-event similarly as if had been played as such from your hand. With a too literal (just as = exactly as) interpretation the timing/targeting of the cards dealt with in the digests is a mess, and certainly that was never intended.

Personally I'm satisfied with the rulings made, and don't think there's too much to discuss about the matter. :)
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Re: CoE 111: Marvels Told vs. The Witch-King of Angmar

Postby Konrad Klar » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:43 am

Ok. If workaround for inability to make errata to the CRF is stating rulings contradicting with CRF and not naming them errata, then we just must live with such state of things.
(It is no sarcasm, just describing a state of things).
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