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Postby Sauron » Mon May 25, 2009 10:00 pm

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Postby Sauron » Mon May 25, 2009 10:01 pm

My thoughts:

A target is an entity that an action is played out through. In this case it's a company. Hall of Fire states "Any company at this Haven immediately following its movement/hazard phase may choose for one of it's . . ." So what we have here is Hall of Fire "targeting" a company for that company to choose a character in it's company to untap.

However according to CRF:
"Enitities are only targets of an action if the action specifies those entities by number and type. Note that "the foo" counts as specifying one "foo."

So the entity here is a company. However a number of companies is never defined. It says ANY company. Therefore the company is NOT a target. So the action can be played out on a company and does not target the company.
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Postby Sauron » Mon May 25, 2009 10:11 pm

I give weight to 1 Action as the text of Hall of Fire States:

"Any company at this Haven immediately following its movement/hazard phase may choose for one of its characters to untap or heal (from wounded to tapped)."

Not:

"Any company at this Haven immediately following its movement/hazard phase may choose for one of its characters. That character may choose to untap or heal (from wounded to tapped)." or something similiar.

It's 1 continous sentence and not broken up. Yours to discuss and figure out, I've given my 2 cents :)
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Postby Konrad Klar » Sat May 30, 2009 9:15 pm

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Postby Sauron » Sun May 31, 2009 5:21 am

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Postby Konrad Klar » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:04 pm

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Postby miguel » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:23 pm

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Postby Konrad Klar » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:51 pm

No. It is not action caused by passive condition (because it is not mandatory) .
Yes. I think it may untap/heal troll.

P.S.
White Hand rules says that Orc/Troll cannot be target of hero resource, resource that require skills cannot use Orc/Troll, Orc/Troll cannot tap to initiate an effect from a hero resource.
Please note that:
- character untapped/healed by HoF does not tap.
- untap/heal is final result. It does not serve activating of additional effects.
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Postby Konrad Klar » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:05 am

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