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#CoE Erratum Proposal 1

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Will you accept Council of Elrond Official Erratum Proposal #1?

Poll ended at Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:46 pm

yea
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nay
1
3%
 
Total votes : 31

#CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:47 pm

This CoE Erratum Proposal will be in effect after ratifaction through a vote by the CoE forum community.
The vote will be registered through a Poll in this thread.
The Proposal will be accepted, if no more than one third (33%) of the electorate votes "nay", and if no more than half (50%) of the votes cast are "nay".
the voting period will be from 23-9-2012 till 15-10-2012


Original rules


Collected Rulings File (CRF): Turn Sequence Rulings: Site Phase: Automatic-attacks:
The only resources you may play against automatic-attacks are ones that cancel the attack, cancel a strike, or would be otherwise playable during the strike sequence.

Balrog Rules: Specific Rules for MEBA: Cards with Multiple Actions (Clarification):
...As an exception, if one of the effects of a card is an attack, cards may be played that cancel the attack, cancel one of the strikes, or that otherwise are playable during the strike sequence.

CRF: Rulings by Term: Timing wrote:# Annotation 24:
If a card specifies that more than one action occurs when the card itself is resolved in a chain of effects, all of these actions are to be resolved in the card's chain of effects uninterrupted and in the order listed on the card. No actions may be declared to occur between these multiple actions. The actions listed on the card are considered to have been declared in the reverse order as they are printed.
# (amendment to original version of Annotation 24):
As an exception, if one of the effects of a card is an attack, cards may be played that cancel the attack, cancel one of its strikes, or that otherwise are playable during the strike sequence--see Annotation 18 (Turn Sequence, Movement/ Hazard Phase, Combat, Strike Sequence).


New Rule

When facing an automatic-attack, you may play resources that directly affect the attack or would otherwise be playable during the strike sequence. The same applies for facing attacks created by cards with multiple actions.


Rationale

The original rules for facing automatic-attacks differ from facing other kinds of attacks (e.g. creatures, event cards with one action). Certain cards affecting attacks do not cancel an (automatic-) attack or strike and are not played during strike phase (see examples below). With the proposed rules amendment we want to achieve a more consistent, intuitive way of facing all attacks. It is less strict than the original rules and will open up new options and strategies for players, leading to a simpler and more varied and enjoyable gaming experience.

Our proposal is actually a modified version of what is already present in the CRF: A company may not play any resource during the site phase until they have faced all automatic-attacks, unless that resource directly affects an automatic-attack. However this passage has not been implemented due to the other, more strict automatic-attack rule. For consistency's sake we wish to extend this approach to facing attacks from cards with multiple actions as well.


Examples

Example 1:
A hero company decides to enter Dead Marshes with The Moon Is Dead in play. The player has Marvels Told in hand.
Before: Marvels Told may not be played at this point and the company must face boosted Undead automatic-attacks twice.
After: A sage taps to play Marvels Told on The Moon Is Dead, and the company proceeds to face only the normal automatic-attack.

Example 2:
Fallen-Gandalf is by himself at the Lonely Mountain. The player has Ruse and Wizard's Staff in hand.
Before: Ruse may only be used to cancel the automatic-attack, tapping Gandalf, so he cannot play the item.
After: Gandalf may use Ruse's scout only effect, so the strike cannot be assigned and Gandalf slips past the automatic-attack untapped to play Wizard’s Staff.

Example 3:
A minion company with a shadow-magic using character is at Edoras and plays Smoke on the Wind. They face the first attack, leaving only one character untapped. The second attack is 1 strike with 10 prowess and the player has Sojourn in Shadows in hand.
Before: The untapped character faces the strike and failing to stay untapped Smoke on the Wind's marshalling points are lost.
After: The shadow-magic using character may play Sojourn in Shadows on the untapped character, letting him avoid the strike and tap for Smoke on the Wind afterwards.
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby |Highwayman| » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:02 pm

Congrats on finally making this move. I hope many more will follow, both for rules and card texts - just be carefull not to fix anything that ain't really broken :P
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby tharasix » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:20 am

When I saw this mentioned in Wolfgang's newsletter, I expected something more significant. I forgot how deliberate and conservative the fan base is. Like Gimli describes working in the Glittering Caves of Aglarond: "With cautious skill, tap by tap - a small chip of rock and no more, perhaps, in a whole anxious day - so we would work..." Good job in displaying your cautious skill.
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:29 am

Thanks for the kudos guys.
To re-itterate: I will keep this thread clean of discussions/commentary about the proposal (use the other section for that).
But short statements such as these (whether positive or negative) are ok.
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby Jose-san » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:37 pm

Eric, are you going to announce this poll in the Spanish forum?
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby Makinal » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:53 am

can i post a link in the chilean facebook group?
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:05 pm

sure, feel free to post links on relevant fora
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:47 pm

Voting has ended.
Result:
yea: 30
nay: 1

CoE Official Erratum Proposal #1 has been accepted by the meccg community, and will be in effect as of today.
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby Bandobras Took » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:12 pm

Surely this is a sign of the Apocalypse? ;)
Remember, NetRep rulings are official. This does not necessarily mean they are correct.

You probably aren't playing Fallen Wizards .
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby kober » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:43 pm

Great to see this (visibly) posted after four years. Any way to make the "issued" thread more visible?
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:02 pm

Admin Control Panel states this section has limited access for guests, meaning they can see the section, so technically it should work.
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby kober » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:04 pm

How about sending a PM to all active (e.g. those with at least 5/10/50 posts) forum members when such a poll is up? Turnout would be better.
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Re: #CoE Erratum Proposal 1

Postby Thorsten the Traveller » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:38 am

When the poll was held, an email was sent out to everybody on the mailing list, which includes the (active) people on this board. It was part of a newsletter however, perhaps people didn't read carefully or disregarded it therefore. However, those really interested in meccg would not have.
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